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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger  I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Neither do I Craig... I also do not doubt the huge amount of attention that will be focussed directly upon the EPA if they chose to ban these people. What happens after that is up to the professionals and the banned players. I will say though that if retrosepctive bans are handed out to all players that played in and attended qualifiers to play in this, there is potentially 100s of particularly pissed off players. | My opinion should just be accepted as objectivity itself. |
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Nothing to do with CCI or the IPA, is it?
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Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: creggan Quote:I understand that should I play in or administer a pool event organised in direct competition with the English Pool Association (EPA), then this registration may be suspended. Events to which this condition has already been determined to apply are ones not organised by the EPA, or a County Association affiliated to it where the players purport to represent England or an English county.
Just a thought if English players play in this new "world championships" which country will they be said to be representing ? I'll be representing Cape Verde (Leicester Branch). I assume that will be fine as long as you run a qualifier Marv   | My opinion should just be accepted as objectivity itself. |
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Already did - beat Ross 1-0 in the final, reffed by Michaela...
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will there be regional comps to decide places? i asume there will be a canny few q- comps in your areas if so? |
if you care for pool stop creaming off the top
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Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Nothing to do with CCI or the IPA, is it? Moray is the CCI and he is the IPA and he has been looking to run a large Blackball tournament. George is not the WEPF nor are the EPA answerable to him. Please keep up with English pool politics Marv Being the Cape Verde bigwig is taking your eye off the ball. | S U F C |
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Do you honestly believe that the EPA will not use any sanctions because MD says that it's only a personal venture ? Whether it's true or false. | S U F C |
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Originally Posted by: juan-king Already did - beat Ross 1-0 in the final, reffed by Michaela... I can confirm that.
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Nothing to do with CCI or the IPA, is it? Moray is the CCI and he is the IPA and he has been looking to run a large Blackball tournament. George is not the WEPF nor are the EPA answerable to him. Please keep up with English pool politics Marv Being the Cape Verde bigwig is taking your eye off the ball. Got to disagree with you there, George is more of the WEPF than Morray is the IPA, at least Morray asks the players what they want to do. Without George the WEPF is nothing and that is the truth, you may not believe it but it is.
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Originally Posted by: theflyingscotsman Originally Posted by: juan-king Already did - beat Ross 1-0 in the final, reffed by Michaela... I can confirm that. Cape Verde is a lovely place for a holiday, Ross... 
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Errrh Marv,
Ross already knows that, he has to be resident of Cape Verdi (or Leicester suburbs) to qualify as their resident runner up pro. Come on mate, we gotta have some standards!!!
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Originally Posted by: theflyingscotsman Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Nothing to do with CCI or the IPA, is it? Moray is the CCI and he is the IPA and he has been looking to run a large Blackball tournament. George is not the WEPF nor are the EPA answerable to him. Please keep up with English pool politics Marv Being the Cape Verde bigwig is taking your eye off the ball. Got to disagree with you there, George is more of the WEPF than Morray is the IPA, at least Morray asks the players what they want to do. Without George the WEPF is nothing and that is the truth, you may not believe it but it is. Sorry Ross , that's the EPA viewpoint, and therefore cannot be wrong. | S U F C |
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Again, I go back to one of my last posts.
The IPA On Q Promotions and of course all the players in ENGLAND must just forget about what the EPA/WEPF/GH will do if they enter these events.
I know it is ok for me to say that, as I do not play in England but it is the truth, for things to change players must understand that they may lose out on events by selecting one or the other.
The IPA have taken their chance and as most of you will agree , have done a fantastic job in such a short time, there are hundreds of players out there that the IPA can get backing from because of their Tour but the next thing they have to do is take their players to other countries, show them how great they are, make the rest of the World understand that there is only one professional body in the small ball game and try to get the top players from all over Europe and Africa to join the IPA, then you will really see big changes.
Promoters like myself, Ronnie, Howard, Maxi, would be able to get better sponsors involved if this were to happen, then we could offer the players more comps to play in, no matter what sport it is the other players will always want to play against the best, it was always politics that stoped it happening, if the IPA really want to change then their members must understand that the way forward to get these things, is to change to BB rules, get the governing bodies from the BI/WPA to back them and take the next step to freedom.
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things are finally happening to promote the game in the players interest ,fair play to Morray keep up the great work ,sure there are lots more new ideas to come ,i would have thought the EPA would have to think long and hard before handing out any bans ,how would that go down with Sport England for instance.
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Originally Posted by: theflyingscotsman Again, I go back to one of my last posts.
The IPA On Q Promotions and of course all the players in ENGLAND must just forget about what the EPA/WEPF/GH will do if they enter these events.
I know it is ok for me to say that, as I do not play in England but it is the truth, for things to change players must understand that they may lose out on events by selecting one or the other.
The IPA have taken their chance and as most of you will agree , have done a fantastic job in such a short time, there are hundreds of players out there that the IPA can get backing from because of their Tour but the next thing they have to do is take their players to other countries, show them how great they are, make the rest of the World understand that there is only one professional body in the small ball game and try to get the top players from all over Europe and Africa to join the IPA, then you will really see big changes.
Promoters like myself, Ronnie, Howard, Maxi, would be able to get better sponsors involved if this were to happen, then we could offer the players more comps to play in, no matter what sport it is the other players will always want to play against the best, it was always politics that stoped it happening, if the IPA really want to change then their members must understand that the way forward to get these things, is to change to BB rules, get the governing bodies from the BI/WPA to back them and take the next step to freedom. From a professional point of view then of course they shouldnt worry about the EPA. But I think your overestimating how much the vast majority of players in England want from their pool. The vast majority are happy with Interleague, County, etc and dont really worry about bigger singles events, why would they consider doing anything to jeopardise their ability to play in these events? HOWEVER if the IPA model and this on-q world championships is not based on the need for large numbers, just an elite 100 or so plus maybe the BB county players etc, then I really can see it growing the way you suggest. It seems they have the support of some good sponsors and some really good fresh ideas, so hopefully it is sustainable. I just think that if it needs the support of lots of the current EPA players it may struggle if the EPA want to make it difficult. Without the support of the EPA then the IPA needs to go to a more self-contained model, not unlike the old PPP0.
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Can't agree, the IPA must learn from the PPPO mistakes.
We had the best players, we had the sponsors but we never had an aim.
Who came up with the Tour Alan Bartlett, he was the one who went to the old PPPO committee and asked them to back it, they did not, what happened next was he left and set it up himself, made a success of it and sold it to GH and the EPA[ I could be wrong there]
The PPPO players went from having 3/4 events a year to 10/12 events a year but the players were not ready to back the changes and we went from having 32 players attending down to sometimes no more than 16, until it died a slow death.
The Tour went on to become the best thing in pool for years but again what was their aim, nothing really changed, in fact it got worst, they lost sponsors, TV came and went.
The IPA needs more than just the top players it needs volume of players but they have to be more than English to make it a real success.
Morray has done a great job but I hope he knows the real aim of the game is International pool, it will be the only way the the game takes off, I know what South Africa aims are, so does Morray, people may say it is pie in the sky but I think that players must fight for what is right, they may lose out on somethings but in the end, if the product is there, they will succeed.
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As long as The IPA and OnQ promotions don't clash any events with the EPA events, then surely this is fine for everyone concerned?
The EPA have no need to ban players then.
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