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Confusing.
There seems to be a lot of IPA talk, yet they aren't involved with this event.
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I understand that should I play in or administer a pool event organised in direct competition with the English Pool Association (EPA), then this registration may be suspended. Events to which this condition has already been determined to apply are ones not organised by the EPA, or a County Association affiliated to it where the players purport to represent England or an English county.
Am I just being completely thick here?
The above statement mentions pool events organised in direct competition with the EPA... well, aren't the World Championships in Blackpool a WEPF event?
If so, then the On-Q World Championships (or whatever it's called) is NOT in direct competition with the EPA. It could be argued that they are in direct competition with the WEPF, but they are not mentioned anywhere in the above statement.
For years we've had people saying that the EPA are not the WEPF, so surely they could not now turn round and say that they are!!! | I'm fatter, that's how I roll further! |
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I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. | S U F C |
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger  I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date.
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Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date. How do you work that one out ? | S U F C |
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date. How do you work that one out ? If they were held on the same date then players would have to make a choice between which set of qualifiers to play in. This would affect the number of entries the EPA/WEPF would get. This is DIRECT COMPETITION. If they are held on different dates then players can play in both without having to make a choice.
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Why?
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Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date. How do you work that one out ? If they were held on the same date then players would have to make a choice between which set of qualifiers to play in. This would affect the number of entries the EPA/WEPF would get. This is DIRECT COMPETITION. If they are held on different dates then players can play in both without having to make a choice. How would an OnQ qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Carlisle be deemed to be in direct competition to a WEPF Qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Cornwall?
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That would be extremely direct,as direct as telling the keeper to shoot on sight.
County set-up's and Internationals are seen as in direct competition without necessarily being held on the same dates.
I would imagine the EPA will base it's decision on how much a threat it sees coming from this potentially rival competition, if it sees any threat at all. | S U F C |
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Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date. How do you work that one out ? If they were held on the same date then players would have to make a choice between which set of qualifiers to play in. This would affect the number of entries the EPA/WEPF would get. This is DIRECT COMPETITION. If they are held on different dates then players can play in both without having to make a choice. How would an OnQ qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Carlisle be deemed to be in direct competition to a WEPF Qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Cornwall? It wouldn't but you know what i'm saying so don't try and pick at it. But if you want to go down that route then let's say Cornwall hold a WEPF qualifier this sunday and also somewhere else in Cornwall this sunday they hold an OnQ qualifier. This is direct competition. My point is that The EPA/The Ipa/OnQ don't have to hold events on the same date. They can hold them on different dates and then players don't need to be banned by The EPA unless they want to be petty.
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Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: Colesy Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I suppose it could be ruled that any (On-Q) WC qualifiers in England would be in direct competition with their own qualifiers for the Wepf WC. Only if they are held on the same date. How do you work that one out ? If they were held on the same date then players would have to make a choice between which set of qualifiers to play in. This would affect the number of entries the EPA/WEPF would get. This is DIRECT COMPETITION. If they are held on different dates then players can play in both without having to make a choice. How would an OnQ qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Carlisle be deemed to be in direct competition to a WEPF Qualifier being played to WEPF rules in Cornwall? I'm not sure which angle you are coming from , but both would be qualifiers for a title of a similar name in the same country. The WEPF WC's qualifiers are for the EPA's allocation. Personally , I think the EPA should let it run it's course , that said I want the banning crap dropping in any case. | S U F C |
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I can see what you are getting at Colesy, but I'm not picking at it , I think you are mis-interpretting "Direct Competition" or at least mis-interpretting the EPA's version of "Direct Competition".
This could have comparisons with the 2 darts codes and the olden days of rugby and the rebel tours in cricket, in that something has been set up to rival something thats already there and the existing establishment take umbrage. | S U F C |
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I can see what you are getting at Colesy, but I'm not picking at it , I think you are mis-interpretting "Direct Competition" or at least mis-interpretting the EPA's version of "Direct Competition".
This could have comparisons with the 2 darts codes and the olden days of rugby and the rebel tours in cricket, in that something has been set up to rival something thats already there and the existing establishment take umbrage. My 'picking at' comment was in reply to JK not you  yeah i know what type of direct competition you're talking about, as in the direct competition as in the business world. But I think there is room for EPA/OnQ/IPA events to all be succesful as long as they are staged on different days. They just have to work together (living in dreamland with that comment i know lol).
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But my point is that no competition in Carlisle is going to significantly impact an event in Cornwall, regardless of rules or what the events are.
Hiding behind interpretations of 'direct competition' is what the EPA have done for years.
Beside which, I'd envisage that both events would have plenty of qualifying events played anyway
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Yeah I don't really want to get drawn into an argument as I think we are all on the same page lol!!
We all believe that these events can run alongside each other and are hoping the EPA let this happen.
The EPA should be looking after the amateur side of the game and the IPA look after the higher end of the game whilst helping amateurs reach professional status/level. OnQ Promotions look like they want to stage events to help the whole pool fraternity. This is how I would like to see the pool world go and all using Blackball rules (though this isn't a necessity, I think WR & BB can co exist as long as amateur side is WR and Professional side and TV events is BB so things don't get confusing).
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Originally Posted by: theflyingscotsman Originally Posted by: 8balltiger Originally Posted by: juan-king Originally Posted by: 8balltiger I doubt the EPA will ignore the input of Moray / IPA/ CCI and the fact that its claiming to be a World Championships. Nothing to do with CCI or the IPA, is it? Moray is the CCI and he is the IPA and he has been looking to run a large Blackball tournament. George is not the WEPF nor are the EPA answerable to him. Please keep up with English pool politics Marv  Being the Cape Verde bigwig is taking your eye off the ball. Got to disagree with you there, George is more of the WEPF than Morray is the IPA, at least Morray asks the players what they want to do. Without George the WEPF is nothing and that is the truth, you may not believe it but it is. why is everyone so clueless about the ipa, morray is no more or less than one member of a very active committee and that is a fact! | |
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My part of the above quotes were tongue in cheek , very tongue in cheek Macca, did you read the EPA minutes last week , I saw that you asked for them , so you should see exactly what angle I was poking fun from.
Or maybe you were just trying to shout look at me, I help too. lol
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LOL Andy, come on son! Can't believe you didnt pick up on the sarcasm mate.
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Originally Posted by: 8balltiger
I would imagine the EPA will base it's decision on how much a threat it sees coming from this potentially rival competition, if it sees any threat at all.
You hit nail on the head ,will having nothing to do with who decides to play in what compitition or weather or not its in direct competiton of the EPA .IMO the EPA seems to deem any sort of action to move the game forward as threat to them,especailly as the new IPA set up seems to moving perhaps a lot more rapidly then some may of thought would happen.In the end, it really shouldn't matter who working with or who runs what as long as its takes the game forward,to be honest a bit compitition doesn't hurt any one as long as it is for the good for the game in the long run.Lets hope this can go forward with no issues ,but I doubt it some how.
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