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#21 Posted : 29 May 2012 15:47:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ddavis Go to Quoted Post

Or, I'd imagine, a legal challenge by the organisers of the On-Q event.


I think On Q and the IPA are using this event to test the mettle of the EPA. with a view to challenging their authority.
They want players banned, making the event BB rules for WR players seems daft, they are prodding the EPA with a pointy stick.
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#22 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:18:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ddavis Go to Quoted Post

Or, I'd imagine, a legal challenge by the organisers of the On-Q event.


I think On Q and the IPA are using this event to test the mettle of the EPA. with a view to challenging their authority.
They want players banned, making the event BB rules for WR players seems daft, they are prodding the EPA with a pointy stick.


That's one way of looking at it. It's a very George way of looking at it though. Not everything is about riling the other organisations.

A more likely way of looking at it is that On-Q as an organisation want to run BB rules competitions. They invited the IPA players because they're some of the best in the country, and they want the best players in their tournament.

The EPA, by getting in to bed even further with George, seem not to be too bothered about having the best players.
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#23 Posted : 29 May 2012 17:46:19(UTC)
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With regard to the banning thing..the form clearly states events which have ALREADY been considered..nothing
prevents other events / promotions / rule sets being included at some stage.

I think the On Q deciding to play to BB is that without the DF the rule set might be easier to understand
and therefore better suited to a wider TV audience.

We also have to bear in mind the number of other countries where WR are the "poor relation" to BB...France
and Spain in particular..but also S Africa and others.

Only my personal thoughts..
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I heard anyone that plays in the On Q "worlds" will receive a one year suspension of their EPA card. I will wait to see how accurate this information is.
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#25 Posted : 30 May 2012 06:28:30(UTC)
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The only way the exact wording and exact agreements on the registration form will be relevant is if there is a legal challenge by someone who will be banned.


Or, I'd imagine, a legal challenge by the organisers of the On-Q event.


And here lies the rub.

How can any organisation legally challenge the registration rules of another. When you sign up for the EPA card you sign that you will abide by the rules of EPA. It has FA to do with any other organisation.
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#26 Posted : 30 May 2012 09:01:45(UTC)
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The only way the exact wording and exact agreements on the registration form will be relevant is if there is a legal challenge by someone who will be banned.


Or, I'd imagine, a legal challenge by the organisers of the On-Q event.


And here lies the rub.

How can any organisation legally challenge the registration rules of another. When you sign up for the EPA card you sign that you will abide by the rules of EPA. It has FA to do with any other organisation.


Signing something does not make it legal. It cannot detract from any rights already established by law.

For example, the membership card could say George is allowed to eat your babies if you play on the IPAD tour. That doesn't make the clause enforceable.

I doubt the EPA have ever thought to get legal advice on the validity of their forms. Their data protection / third party options are completely wrong, so I'd imagine their attempts at the legal elements are also amateur.
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Originally Posted by: The Silurian Go to Quoted Post
With regard to the banning thing..the form clearly states events which have ALREADY been considered..nothing
prevents other events / promotions / rule sets being included at some stage.

I think the On Q deciding to play to BB is that without the DF the rule set might be easier to understand
and therefore better suited to a wider TV audience.

We also have to bear in mind the number of other countries where WR are the "poor relation" to BB...France
and Spain in particular..but also S Africa and others.

Only my personal thoughts..



"I understand that should I play in or administer a pool event organised in direct competition with the English Pool Association (EPA), then this registration may be suspended. Events to which this condition has already been determined to apply are ones not organised by the EPA, or a County Association affiliated to it where the players purport to represent England or an English county."

It's very loose. The "in direct competition" will end up being down to opinion. The EPA's.

Manchester United's last THIRTEEN league titles have all been won through favourable refereeing decisions. Fact. :0)
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Surely there can't be any doubt that those involved in the On Q world championships will be in line for a ban from the EPA? Do people think it is not in direct competition, it clearly is to me.

There maybe a legal challenge as to whether any ban is enforceable. Not sure how this would work or the legal complications but don't the EPA or whoever have freedom to set the rules they like, you then choose to join and abide by the rules or not.

We now appear to have 3 world championships, with 2 of them played to the same rules. Appreciate the effort some of the people are going to but it doesn't appear to be getting any simpler for the masses.
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I thought the EPA's constitution stated it's aim was to promote Pool? Not ban people for playing Pool.

A challenge would be interesting because as the governing body of Pool in England they could be seen to be in conflict with their own stated aims.
Manchester United's last THIRTEEN league titles have all been won through favourable refereeing decisions. Fact. :0)
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I just see this on the EPA site.......

"Following the recent EPA National meeting, it was unanimously decided by both the Executive and National Committees, that the current rules which are in place reference any player competing in a Professional World Championship will then be classed as a professional player by the EPA.

The relevant EPA rules on professional status will then apply.

Such players would be regarded by the EPA as at Cue Sport Professional level for a minimum of twelve months, before they could resign their status as a professional and apply to return to the amateur ranks.

There are already agreed procedures and regulations for existing Professional level players who wish to return to amateur status.

Any EPA ID card holder player that plays in an event that EPA deems to be in direct competition may face disciplinary action.

Geoff Wilson
EPA Chairman"


So any player that plays in the on-q event will then be subject to a 12 month cooling off period yet any player who jumped ship from the IPA to the HEPA tour did not need to serve a 12 month cooling off period! Laugh
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#31 Posted : 03 June 2012 08:27:53(UTC)
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A very shrewd move by the EPA. Fair play.
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Ahhh, and now we see.

The pertinent question for me here, is why on earth did on-q deem it necessary to call this anything that could implicate these ramifications upon the tournament entrants?

I said at the time there was no need for it.

Now we have a situation where On-Q have guaranteed a prizefund that people are scared of entering.
My opinion should just be accepted as objectivity itself.
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#33 Posted : 03 June 2012 11:28:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slimbob Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ddavis Go to Quoted Post

Or, I'd imagine, a legal challenge by the organisers of the On-Q event.


I think On Q and the IPA are using this event to test the mettle of the EPA. with a view to challenging their authority.
They want players banned, making the event BB rules for WR players seems daft, they are prodding the EPA with a pointy stick.


The event isn't a "BB rules event for WR players".

It is a "BB rules event for POOL players".
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