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#21 Posted : 29 June 2012 20:09:55(UTC)
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How much will Keith Brewer get for winning the seniors?


Off topic i know but, he won 35 frames on his way to the title and conceded ZERO....


An amazing statistic but his opponents must have been crap. Not one break and dish or dish from a dry Brewer break in all those frames.
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#22 Posted : 02 July 2012 08:13:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: loquacious Go to Quoted Post
How much will Keith Brewer get for winning the seniors?


Feck me! He went through the event without losing a frame! 35/0 Now don't get me wrong,even if he was playing against Stevie Wonder and Stevie Hawking that still takes some doing.
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#23 Posted : 02 July 2012 08:30:03(UTC)
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If the organiser of an event tells the hotel that there is someone not welcome at their function and they fear he could cause trouble etc Then the Manager has every right to ask the person to leave. Youre a guest and if the manager takes away that right your trespassing simple as that.

The manager can ask anyone they like to leave even if they have got a room.....

Bl00dy rubbish for those of us tuning in for the exciting updates in the pool world tho.. that episode could ve been Christmas special quality !!


They need a good reason. The Manager would need to ask the guest not to go near the function room, or similar. You can't just say "Sorry, the Gent over there doesn't like you". A fear of trouble making is worthless, you need actual trouble making to happen.

This is only if you have a room.

Not that it matters :D
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If Morray was there at an AGM open to the public then provided he isn't causing trouble then why would a manager ask him to leave?

Manchester United's last THIRTEEN league titles have all been won through favourable refereeing decisions. Fact. :0)
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If Morray was there at an AGM open to the public then provided he isn't causing trouble then why would a manager ask him to leave?



Cos George asked them to.

George was telling EPA cardholders that if they SPOKE to Morray they would be subject to disciplinary process.
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LOL

Small man syndrome.

I am still amazed how many people allow him to dictate what they do and who they talk to. Spineless.
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LOL

Small man syndrome.

I am still amazed how many people allow him to dictate what they do and who they talk to. Spineless.


Scared of losing their card.

This is what the EPA don't understand, banning is a GOOD thing (it has to exist to keep the structure) but it shouldn't be dished out on a whim. Talking to somebody is not a banning offence and a man who holds no position within the EPA should not be allowed to threaten sanctions on their behalf.

Yet the EPA allow this to happen. All the while, people like Rushy/Shap who did/do good work for the EPA are having their efforts undermined by a handful at the top.
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Originally Posted by: jasetheace Go to Quoted Post
If Morray was there at an AGM open to the public then provided he isn't causing trouble then why would a manager ask him to leave?



I find your choice of words interesting.

As many of you might be aware I have had my share of "debate" with one or two senior members of the EPA in the past..

I also attended this weekend..giving a fair account of myself in the Amatuer Masters, but that, in itself is irrelevant.

On arrival I made a point of saying "Hello" to a number of Officials, including GH, out of courtesy more thsn snything else.

Later in the day, and prior to my first match, I was approached and told that questions were being asked as to my motives and, in particular whether I was causing "any trouble". I wasn't, but the question did provoke some reflection on what might have been meant by "trouble".

I can only presume that those asking the questions thought that I might have been handing out flyers (what for I know not), canvassing support for the IPA (not the time, nor the place in my opinion) or just slagging off various folks (generally counter productive).

So my point is this..if I go to somebodies house then I respect their rules...I don't smoke unless told I can do, I take my shoes off if asked to do so and I don't piss on the bathroom floor! Should I wish to do any of these things I do them at home...and if I need to see the person of the house..but find their rules too stringent, then we meet at a neutral venue.

I for one had a good week end, met a lot of good mates, had a few interesting chats and even managed to pot a ball or two.

Thank you to all involved as it may well be the last opportunity I get to play in the World Amateur Masters, but who knows what the future holds..as long as we can all respect each other and our differences then there is hope.
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Originally Posted by: jasetheace Go to Quoted Post
If Morray was there at an AGM open to the public then provided he isn't causing trouble then why would a manager ask him to leave?


But the AGM is not open to the public though, is it?
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Ok, this is what happened. I had two meetings organised in Preston area and seeing as a number of very good friends of mine were in the UK, I had organised with them to meet at the hotel.

I therefore arrived, said a few hello's, but at no point did I present or discuss the On Q World Champs with anyone.

It did become clear that my attendance was causing the organisers a few concerns when their AGM was halted members of the committee started to follow me around the hotel. One particular official wass was particularly funny with his John Cleese detective attempt, sneaking around pillars etc.

WEPF President Joe Fanto sat opposite me in the lobby area, whilst Mr G.E Harwood rushed to reception to request the attendance of the Hotel General Manager. (At no point did any official approach me)

I returned to the ball room to watch a former team mate in action, who was competing in the Men’s singles, when the GM arrived on my shoulder, flanked by G.E Harwood.

The GM stated it was a private function room and was being hired by G.E Harwood who was not willing to receive me at said function.

I simply agreed with the GM, based widely on my knowledge of hotel management procedures, and left the ball room returning to the lobby. The GM then asked me to leave the building, I asked why this was and he simply looked at me and said "I am just the hotel manager and in the middle of this, I would appreciate your assistance" seeing as the guy was very polite and I could see he felt very awkward about the situation I left.

My friends who'd arranged to meet with me at the hotel all visited me at the Hilton Hotel next door instead. Bu, one very close friend visiting from Overseas then advised me the following day that she had been presented photos of us having a conversation whilst sitting on a bench. These photos were taken by a WEPF official who was, as it now appears, actually following me and noting down names of all I spoke too.

These individuals all contacted me the following day to tell me the same story and that they were advised they not allowed to talk to me, and had actually been questioned about our conversation.

I have since forwarded this information to my solicitor who tells me an invasion of privacy has taken place, amongst other things. I have witnesses and documentation from various previous meetings and AGM's at which I have been discussed, both as an individual and as a promoter. False information and lies have been spread by certain individuals who I can only guess fear the natural development of the sport, and that this will ultimately lead to their individual goals being affected.

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The organisers of an event can ask anyone they want, to leave and thats fair enough sadly. If the manager is told someone wasnt welcome (for any reason) then they would ask that person, politely not to go into the function or to simply stay away from the area.(fair play the manager did the right thing)

They would nt want to ask them to leave the premises and it would be bad practice... but they can.. Even if they have a room!
(Terrible PR etc and would be very petty and you'd be looking at civil desputes and refunds etc) but of course they can ask them to leave.....

You certainly dont need to wait for trouble to happen first! (but would be more simple to deal with if there was an altercation you could refer to).. then you could more easily use Common Law powers, Breach of the peace and all that b0ll0x alot easier...... using force to eject etc etc)

PLANNER i'd definately look into a harrassment warning lol Im pretty sure that taking photos of you in a public place wont be any direct offences its self under the Privicy act, you're not a minor and it would depend on what they are using them for but got to be worth a few quid to find some little golden nugget to p!ss the little runt off with lol


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#32 Posted : 02 July 2012 18:02:30(UTC)
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Is this a bit like a Hollywood celebrity going to the annual paparazzi convention to 'meet some friends' and then suing for an invasion of privacy when they become an object of interest?

Not a supporter of Harewood et al but given recent events surely going to the hotel was always likely to provoke a reaction? Perhaps there is some mileage in pursuing a claim if there has been defamation of character in meetings but the rest seems very sketchy to me. A bit like winding up a wasp then complaining when it stings you.

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#33 Posted : 02 July 2012 19:48:50(UTC)
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I agree, a public place is a public place. If they can see what anyone else can see then that is ok. In an instance of this nature i would say that even following someone around a public place is ok too. I doubt very much that any member of a pool organisation would be required by law to seek lawful authorisation to do this. A bit sneaky but not much else, bet we've all done at some time for different reasons.
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This whole situation has become ridiculous and the one thing that is really suffering throughout is Pool itself. None of this is taking the game forward.
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Originally Posted by: Steve Prince Go to Quoted Post
I agree, a public place is a public place. If they can see what anyone else can see then that is ok. In an instance of this nature i would say that even following someone around a public place is ok too. I doubt very much that any member of a pool organisation would be required by law to seek lawful authorisation to do this. A bit sneaky but not much else, bet we've all done at some time for different reasons.


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