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#1 Posted : 02 April 2012 10:29:56(UTC)
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On 26 March 2012 12:59, FLAHERTY DAVID <david.flaherty8@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Hi All

Over the last few day's I have been presented with a problem with banned/ suspended pool player's

Can you please check within your County and proved me with your current list.

Please do this in excel as attached

Thanks

Dave is R3 Director and has sent this request to the affiliated Counties. I am unaware
of any such cases within our County.

However it would be of some interest to learn if any other Counties have received
similar requests from their respective RD's, or whether this is a R3 specific, suggesting
our Admin isn't all it could be.






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#2 Posted : 02 April 2012 11:53:27(UTC)
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Am I Banned Silurian?

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#3 Posted : 02 April 2012 13:00:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lancashireoatcake Go to Quoted Post
Am I Banned Silurian?

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Don't know m8..I always thought that any ban / suspension of card was a matter
for the EPA disciplinary committee and that records of any such action would be
both kept and notified to the respective Region. Seems I could have been wrong.

I am aware that Local Leagues / Inter leagues and even Counties can take such action,
but that these should in turn be communicated up the ladder in the event of the player
concerned submitting and appeal.

If R3 do not have the records then clearly something is not working from an admin
point of view..be that up or down the ladder.

My gut feeling is that EPA and Regions wish to tidy up all and any existing
paperwork prior to embarking on some sort of witch hunt..but I could be wrong.

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#4 Posted : 02 April 2012 14:28:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: The Silurian Go to Quoted Post
My gut feeling is that EPA and Regions wish to tidy up all and any existing
paperwork prior to embarking on some sort of witch hunt..but I could be wrong.

BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

I don't think you are wrong.
I know that other regions have been asked to supply lists of banned players.
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#5 Posted : 02 April 2012 16:52:28(UTC)
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Maintaining one single list of all players with outstanding monies or disciplinary sanctions is a very good idea IMO, it's something I used to do on a much smaller scale within the old Region 3. Far too many players slip "through the net" and manage to enter things like National Amateurs when they owe counties/regions money, and likewise counties often may not be aware when registering inter-league/county players if someone has bounced a cheque to the national body.

Entirely sensible thing to do IMO.

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#6 Posted : 02 April 2012 17:20:56(UTC)
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I find it absurd that anyone can be under sanction and it not be on the database.
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#7 Posted : 03 April 2012 12:50:16(UTC)
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Absurd or otherwise, it still wouldn't solve the problem as county officers will only have access to their own counties records, regional officers only to their own region's records, for example, not to those of other counties/regions where players may be transferring from etc.

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#8 Posted : 03 April 2012 13:01:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
Absurd or otherwise, it still wouldn't solve the problem as county officers will only have access to their own counties records, regional officers only to their own region's records, for example, not to those of other counties/regions where players may be transferring from etc.
so whats the point of a list then ? people keep mentioning that the reason the EPA still rule, is because the BB mob arent as organised. well f*** me, that BB must be bad


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#9 Posted : 03 April 2012 13:03:41(UTC)
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That's just adding to the absurdity.
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#10 Posted : 03 April 2012 13:14:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: spotsandstripes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
Absurd or otherwise, it still wouldn't solve the problem as county officers will only have access to their own counties records, regional officers only to their own region's records, for example, not to those of other counties/regions where players may be transferring from etc.
so whats the point of a list then ? people keep mentioning that the reason the EPA still rule, is because the BB mob arent as organised. well feck me, that BB must be bad



At risk of answering a rhetorical question, the point of such a list -at least the way I envisaged it working- was that it was circulated to everyone on a fairly regular basis. I used to email the old Region 3 one to each county alongside each set of regional meeting minutes, and I'd also CC in the other RDs and national officers.
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Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: spotsandstripes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
Absurd or otherwise, it still wouldn't solve the problem as county officers will only have access to their own counties records, regional officers only to their own region's records, for example, not to those of other counties/regions where players may be transferring from etc.
so whats the point of a list then ? people keep mentioning that the reason the EPA still rule, is because the BB mob arent as organised. well feck me, that BB must be bad



At risk of answering a rhetorical question, the point of such a list -at least the way I envisaged it working- was that it was circulated to everyone on a fairly regular basis. I used to email the old Region 3 one to each county alongside each set of regional meeting minutes, and I'd also CC in the other RDs and national officers.



And I thought that that was how it should be done anyway. Clearly not. Yes, there should be such a database and Officers / Organisers / TD's should have access to it so that any ban / suspension can be enforced..otherwise there seems no point in the disciplinary action in the first place.

I still wonder why EPA have started this now though.
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To be fair I've been pushing for it for a few years now.
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#13 Posted : 03 April 2012 16:54:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
To be fair I've been pushing for it for a few years now.

Maybe this is why Read this
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now the real banning will happen! i see only epa shooting them self in the foot here



if you care for pool stop creaming off the top
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#15 Posted : 03 April 2012 23:28:55(UTC)
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Dont understand this thread, the EPA does have a list of all its players, all of us who have access can see the list of players registered.

Although I can agree with Sullarian, witch hunts do happen, I saw it first hand last year with my Inter-League team with innocent players, from which has now seen those players say 'why should I play for a body who does check its records, and blindly bans players - sorry suspends - without any investigation first.......

Sorry, I am bitter, I lost a team I had built up for years over this.
Always beware the smiling stranger who offers a handshake.......
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Originally Posted by: creggan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jonaldinho Go to Quoted Post
To be fair I've been pushing for it for a few years now.

Maybe this is why Read this

Given that news only broke a day or so ago, I doubt that is why I have been pushing for a list for a few years now...
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Rather than start another topic, I will use this one....

If a player played BB county, what would he be banned from regarding the EPA?
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#18 Posted : 12 April 2012 20:27:53(UTC)
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Every EPA Cardholder event.
My opinion should just be accepted as objectivity itself.
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How do you get banned for life by the EPA? I'
m really interested as the west mids county captain keeps pestering me to play,and well,I'd rather have a leg off.Can you sort that for me dan? Not the leg lol.BigGrin
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Don't worry Chilts mate. It won't be very long before we're all banned for life mate.
My opinion should just be accepted as objectivity itself.
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